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Monday, June 12, 2006

Expository Preaching in the Crosshairs

My good friend and co-pastor Scott Hill has kept me up to date with the questions that David Carlson is asking about expository preaching. I have read through David's posts and believe that his problem with EP is that he really doesn't understand the problem the church is facing. David, if you read this post, I want you to know that I am not trying to belittle your concerns or twist your words. So, if you feel that I have misrepresented you in any way please feel free to set the record straight.

Now as for my review of his posts, I was struck by David's propositional statements and questions like these:

  • The argument for accurately handling the Word of God (an excellent argument) instead bogs down into arguments about methods.
  • So why do the EP Cultists hate drama and visuals and all that is something other than Expository Preaching?
  • If the bible uses metaphors and images to teach, why should not our preaching?
  • If the bible uses a narrative format to teach about the journey, why is that forbidden in our preaching?
  • Now, I like EP, but perhaps we should use the bible as an example of what good teaching can be, and not lump drama, dance and everything but EP into the heresy pile.
But as a card-carrying member of David's so-called Cult of EP, I find that his interpretation of our positions on worship, EP, music, visuals, and drama to be a thousand miles away from the truth.

Seemingly, David reads statements like Article IV of T4G or a quote from Pulpit Live and practices a little eisegesis of his own. Let me illustrate.

David implies that Article IV of the T4G statement condemns methods of communication other than EP within the church. But in reality the article says nothing about about methods. Nothing. It simply says that expository preaching should not be marginalized or neglected. Here read it for yourself:
We affirm the centrality of expository preaching in the church and the urgent need for a recovery of biblical exposition and the public reading of Scripture in worship. We deny that God-honoring worship can marginalize or neglect the ministry of the Word as manifested through exposition and public reading. We further deny that a church devoid of true biblical preaching can survive as a Gospel church.

David then quotes this from Dr. MacArthur: I have often spoken out against all the pragmatic and "seeker-sensitive" approaches to contemporary worship because they tend to diminish the proper place of preaching and replace it with quasi-spiritual forms of sheer entertainment (music, comedy, drama, and whatnot). Any trend that threatens the centrality of God's Word in our corporate worship is a dangerous trend. (from Pulpit Live)

For some reason David calls Dr. MacArthur's wisdom nonsense. He actually used the words "bunk" and "balderdash." I say, "Yikes!" Notice that Dr. MacArthur's concern is with EP being deminshed or replaced. His problem is not primarily with other methods of communication or worship; His concern is churches marginalize or cease from using expository preaching.

David also quoted a paragraph from 9Marks. David then says that the paragraph says that visuals are unbiblical. Really? Here, read the paragraph for yourself:"Why don't we just quit preaching? Considering the widespread popularity of engaging anecdotes and vivid vignettes, wouldn't it be more effective to simply tell a few captivating stories on Sunday Morning? And why think specifically about expositional preaching - that brand so often associated with excruciating boredom and half-empty pews? In our fast paced society of sports tickers and sound bite infotainment, can we really expect anyone to have the patience for a serious exposition of an ancient text? In an age that has developed a pungent distaste for the exclusivity of religious truth, how can the authoritative tone of expositional preaching hold any promise at all? In a voyeuristic culture inundated with glossy magazines and risqué sitcoms, maybe pastors would be wise to modernize - quit the text-centered approach and accommodate to our culture's predilection for the visual. So… what do you think? Why preach?"

Would someone please show me where this paragraph claims that "the use of visuals in some way makes the sermon unbiblical"? Of course it doesn't. The paragraph is concerned with pastors who would "quit the text-centered approach." Again the problem is not what is being done (the use of visuals and drama and such) but what is not being done -- Expository Preaching.

Maybe David is not aware of the mass evacuation of expositors from the pulpits. David was not in chapel with me ten years ago at NOBTS when a seminary student said from the podium, "We need to replace the pulpit with the couch." Yes, the student was a pyschology major. And that philosophy of ministry has overcome thousands of churches now. In fact, many pulpit search committees are more concerned with a preachers marketing skills, counseling skills, and buisness skills than his theology.

And, one last quote for now, one that just ticked me off a little was when David said, "Method does not equal Message. But in the Cult of EP, it does." Really? David, do you really believe that the men like these one's you have alluded to and quoted believe that EP is the message of the gospel? Do you believe MacArthur, Dever, Piper, Sproul, Mohler, and others are more concerned about EP than about the gospel? Do you really believe that they think that visual aids and music and drama are unbiblical, heretical practices? Have you ever read MacArthur's book on expository preaching?

I know that you have not. I don't think you are the kind of person to so boldly misrepresent these men of God. I think you just simply don't know what you are talking about when it concerns the issue of EP and the attack upon it in this generation. I am glad indeed that you are asking questions, but I hope you will take a friendly rebuke when I say that you have grossly misinterpreted the quotes you have given in your posts. You have put words into people's mouths who have said more, written more, and even taught more on this subject than you ever will. I would recommend that you set the record straight, apologize to these men, and join what you call the Cult of EP. We will welcome you and count it a blessing to have another man who believes that the greatest thing we can ever do is communicate what God has said through the method that He has ordained as His primary vehicle of delivering the Gospel - the preaching of His Word. (Romans 10:14)

BTW, read more from the 9Marks article. Notice the question at the bottom that I put in red.

What are the different kinds of preaching?
The Definitions
  • Anecdotal – a sermon in which the preacher primarily tells engaging stories with amoral lesson.
  • Biographical – a sermon in which the preacher traces the life of a biblical character and draws contemporary moral implications.
  • Topical – a sermon that has a topic in mind prior to consulting the text, and then searches for one or more biblical texts that address the topic chosen beforehand.
  • Textual – a sermon that refers often to a particular biblical text, but does not take the main point of the text as its own.
  • Expositional – a sermon which takes the point of the text as the point of the sermon.
The Details
  • The content of expositional preaching is the true Word of God. An exposition of Scripture simply seeks to uncover, explain, and apply the divinely intended meaning of the text.
  • The context of expositional preaching is the pure church of God. The local church is God’s primary receptacle for His preached Word. This kind of preaching will prove itself relevant when the local community of believers backs it up with lifestyles marked by holiness, joy, and selfless service.
  • The goal of expositional preaching is for the people of God to hear and heed the Word of God.In this sense, expositional preachers are modern day prophets, servingmerely as conduits through which the Word of God may flow into the peopleof God in order to do the work of God in them.

The Dangers

• Topical Preaching
  • The preacher is never surprised or thereby challenged by the text, but simply ends up studying and preaching on his own favorite topics. For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27).
  • Therefore, the congregation never grows past the knowledge or maturity level of the preacher. The unfolding of your Word gives light; it gives understanding to the simple (Ps 119:130).
• Anecdoctal Preaching
  • The congregation may go away entertained, but will they go away having been fed from the Word of God? Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God (Matt 4:4).
  • Large numbers may be attracted and entranced, but do the anecdotes have the sanctifying, transforming power that people need for growth in their personal discipleship? Sanctify them by your truth; your Word is truth (John 17:17).

The Difference
  • Pastoral authority is directly related to authorial intent. The preacher only has authority from God to speak as His ambassador as long as he remains faithful to convey the divine Author’s intentions.
  • This means that the further the preacher strays from preaching the intention of the text, the further his divine blessing and God-given authority are eroded in the pulpit.
  • Expositional preaching is the only kind of preaching that, by definition, ensures the agenda of the sermon is determined by the agenda of the text.
  • Therefore, a long-term commitment to expositional preaching is the most helpful way for a preacher to discipline himself to remain faithful to God’s Word over a lifetime ofministry.

Does a commitment to expositional preaching mean that I should never preach other kinds of sermons?
No. Topical and biographical sermons still have value. It is sometimes helpful to address a certain topic by culling and presenting biblical information. Additionally, it is sometimes instructive to study the life of a biblical character and draw practical implications for Christians today. The point is that as a consistent diet expositional preaching is most healthy for both the preacher and the congregation.

!!!!The previous is not even the whole article from the 9Marks website... good stuff, is it not!!!!

Whoa! David, I think you better stop your posting, click here and read this entire article from 9Marks and then rethink the attacks you have made on Biblical preachers.

P.S. I am absolutely shocked at a guy named "Pastor Rod" who said, "Expository preaching actually robs the Bible of its authority." What is up with these guys? Where do they come up with this stuff?

32 Spoke Up:

LeeC said...

Bingo.

Very well put.

Justice said...

Well defined expository arguement. And, I could not agree more - expository preaching forces you to study deeper and longer than the other methods as well. I believe expository preaching helps people undestand the bible/God's word in its proper biblical conext -- which is missing today in most of preaching.

Anecdotes are cute and funny but funny stories don't help people when times are tough. Funny stories dont paint the magnificent picture of God's glory in redemption.

I have recently replaced an anecdotal preacher and the difference is the people are thriving - they had been starving to hear the truth and they love it. They are now being challenged and they are thanking me for it. All from expositional preaching, i dont shrink from the hard truths, i deliver what's in the text in it's proper form.

I have since uncovered a variety of issues in the body that never came out under the other pastor's ministry there.

1. Eternal Security
2. Multiple ways to salvation for other people groups, jews/muslims
3. Over mysticizing the bible

I have had to defend the word of God on these issues just last week. Under the anecdotal preaching of the other pastor these issues never came to bear - these issues stemmed from long term members of the church and they had never been challenged before.

Expository preaching is the route that will dig out the error of the local church body - at least that is what i have seen.

Soli Deo Gloria!
Nick

Jeremy Weaver said...

It's hard to believe that some would argue against preaching what the Bible actually says.

Justice said...

Oh and I should thank you -- Jason, Scott, and Phil for the training and preperation for ministry I recieved when I was a member at Murrieta Valley Church.

God is putting it to work!
Nick

AuthenticTruth said...

After having been in several churches that primarily teach topically, I have observed that most end up sloppily interpreting Scripture. Nothing makes me cringe more than when I follow along in my Bible and read a passage within context and discern that the man standing in the pulpit has taken the passage out of context and put their own spin in the text. It has been years since I have been in a church that practices consistent expository preaching. What I have also observed is that in churches that practice expository preaching, the general spiritual maturity and discernment of the congregation is considerably higher than those in churches that neglect expositional teaching and opt for topical preaching, drama, etc. I believe this is one of the primary contributing factors to the widespread biblical illiteracy today and is the reason so many are taken in by false teaching and accepting of those who embrace unsound theology.

Unfortunately, most of evangelicalism has bought into the lie that we need to be careful and not teach difficult subject matter, encouraging pastors to skip over major portions of Scripture so not to offend the “seeker”. There is far too much obsession with being culturally relevant. Consequently, the believer gets deprived of vital truth for spiritual growth. The reduction of the proclamation of truth to a lowest common denominator has created congregations that are dull of hearing and are no longer able to tolerate the solid meat of God’s Word, like the situation with the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 3, leaving them wide open to false teaching. (2 Corinthian 11:1-4)

Jason E. Robertson said...

Thanks, Nick. And it was great to see your daughter Sunday in our church.

David said...

I think you have correctly summarized the majority of my points, but perhaps we are talking past each other. My point has never been that EP is wrong. My point is that "uber EP" proponants (is that better than Cult of EP?) fail to recognize one point.

They almost all focus on condemnation of the use of drama and visuals when that is a sympton of the problem, not the problem itself. I have indeed read all of the Nine Marks - please indicate for me anywhere that they indicate anything that the recomend only the "text centered approach" and that we should not "accommodate to our cultures prediliction for the visual"?

There is no corrolation between use of drama/visuals and not being biblically sound in ones service. One may correctly exegite, or not, and that is not relevent to the method of communication - EP, topical, narrative, or drama. In fact, the bible is replete with examples of dramas and visuals being used to teach. If the bible gives us so many examples of such methods of teaching, I put forth the method is acceptable for use in our churchs today.

On a side note, I am amused that other commenters have used "anecdotes" to prove how I am wrong. One could certainly use anecdotes to prove EP is wrong. Something I have not done because it is irrelevant.

I am also offended that some commentors suggest in any way that I argue against preaching what the bible says. I have not said that, not once, not ever.

It is not only our culture that learns through the visual. It is every culture. It is not non-biblical to use an effective communication method to preach the word.

My only consistent point is that hyper EP'rs consistently argue against drama and visuals when they have no biblical basis for doing so, nor any human learning basis for doing so.

Should they argue against those that preach anything other than true word of God - absolutly. We should not argue that other methods are wrong if they too preach the true word of God.

The base fact is, the Bible is full of examples of use of drama and visual to preach the true word of God. Anyone who suggests that such methods should not be used today is coming to a conclusion unsupported by scripture.

That is my point.

Pastor Rod said...

Jason,

If you didn't pay enough attention to get my name right, it is no surprise that you were unable to understand the argument that expository preaching robs God's Word of its power. You are just illustrating my point that people see what they expect to see.

Jeremy,

You illustrate one of the other problems with expository preaching. It gives people a false confidence that it is simply "what the Bible actually says."

Rod

Scott Hill said...

Rod, I see that you are to sensitive for this conversation, so I recommend going here www.waaaaaaaambulance.blogspot.com.

LeeC said...

David,

I think the point is that you have failed to prove that those you seem to accuse of being in the
"cult" of expository preaching adhere to that as dogmatically as you say. The onus is on you realy to prove that the TG4 crowd of MacArthur say what you say they do.


I have never heard them say that a preacher should never do anything but expository preachuing, and yet you seem to say they do. At that point the whole "cult" monniker comes off as ad-hominem.

Rod, have you read Nehemiah? Psalm 19? Psalm 119?

Pastor Rod said...

Scott,

Your comment puzzles me.

How is it germane to the discussion?

Why did you feel it was necessary and appropriate to resort to personal attacks?

In what way does that attitude reflect the spirit of Christ?


Rod

David said...

leec - Have you read my actual blog posts? Before you post, I suggest you follow my complete thought pattern - I believe I document my statements. I am not going through the effort of cutting and pasting them here.

T4G, 9Marks, Dr. M all have a clear and significant position for EP, to the dominant, if not complete exclusion of all other methods. Certainly that is the postion of T4G, clearly it is the postion of 9Marks (One small paragraph saying two other methods (but never drama or other methods) are ok but then spend multiple paragraphs saying they are really bad does not make for strong support) and Dr. M who clearly speaks strongly only for EP (I believe I read he has spent 10 years going through Luke?) does not in any way shape or form indicate a concept other than EP only.

2nd, my major point is they go off the reservation when they denegrate the use of drama, visuals and the like (which they consistently do) as a legitimate means of preaching the gospel. My opinion is they link those items with inadequate exigesis and unbiblical preaching (and often the emergent church), thus those methods should not be used. Inadequte exigesis and unbiblical preaching is a fault of many preachers, whatever method they use.

Again - Drama and use of Visuals are a tool in preaching. Those in the Cult of EP consistently denegrate. This denegration is not supportable by scripture.

Jeremy Weaver said...

Pastor Rod,

What is your method of preaching? Cut and paste?
God inspired the Bible to be written in books, not verses. Not preaching verse-by-verse can only distort God's message and rob it of its true power.

Scott Hill said...

How is it germane to the discussion?
I never made any claims it was germane to the discussion and the web address is a legit address. It is my psuedo blog. It was a joke and if you had gone to the other blog I think you would have seen that humor. If you did go and still didn't see it as a joke then I give up.

Why did you feel it was necessary and appropriate to resort to personal attacks? Lighten up. That was not a personal attack. I was simply trying to point out that your extreme sensitvity to a typo hurts your credibility in the conversation. It points to slight irrationality. Now if I had said you need to stop wearing womens clothes and act like a man then that would have been personal. Again it was a joke.

In what way does that attitude reflect the spirit of Christ? I don't completley understand the question and I never have. It is a lot like asking "When did you quit beating your wife" I always feel set up by it.

However, I apologize for getting off topic and from now on I will stick to the topic of your assault on EP.

Scott Hill said...

David I agian I do not believe you understand the definition of EP. I am looking at three books, right now, on my desk, one written by Dr. MacArthur and everyone of them have a section on topical and narrative preaching with in expository preaching. Dr. Vines book list them as general exegesis (topical)and systematic exegesis (verse by verse). Expository doesn't mean only verse by verse.

Also I have all the books by every man you have placed into this cult, and I think you are making false accusations towards them. Anyone of them will tell you that all preaching should be exegetical. However, you can do an exegetical topical sermon.

David, let me ask you a question. Is there ever a place in preaching/teaching or any other situation for that matter for eisogesis? Rod I will pose the same question to you although I don't place you and David in the same category.

David said...

Scott -

Perhaps I am overreacting, but I do not think so.

It just strikes me that too many people who support EP end up going to the postion that the presentation method must be done in a manner that eschews the drama, the visual, all those things that the emergents get critisized for as being the only thing in their preaching.

It is often presented as EP v. bad emergent drama and flash.

My view is you can have drama and flash while at the same time being biblically accurate.

I think we can all agree that an almost any issue there are some that will take a legitimate, biblically based viewpoint (Calvinsim for example) and go over the edge (hyper calvinism, for example)

I feel that there is a push to make EP into some sort of behind the pulpit, verbal exposition into the bible, and all other methods of communication are tossed into the dust (or heresy pile).

I seek to redeem drama and fancy powerpoints and flash from the trash heap of the emergent church heresy that often are lumped with.

As a secondary note, I think that topical and narrative presentations also get tossed out the window by many ep'rs unfairly.

From my perspective, one of the primary goals of doing church is to give glory to God. To me we do this in two ways.
1. We testify to who God is
2. We testify to the things He has done.
If we accomplish those two goals, our "church" has been effective. Whatever the style, whatever the presentation method, whatever. As part of this we must hold to the truth of scripture, which requires proper esigesis. But it does not require EP (although it certainly can)

hmmmm, perhaps my can of worms has gotten bigger......

Jason E. Robertson said...

David, until you answer Scott's question your argument seems empty. I think you have a sincere desire to see the gospel communicated effectively. But there is this one important question: Is there ever a place in preaching/teaching or any other situation for that matter for eisegesis?

Jason E. Robertson said...

Rediscovering Expository Preaching lists numerous benefits to expository preaching in the following way:

Expository preaching best emulates biblical preaching both in content and style.
This is the chief benefit. Notice that the word "best" is used, not the word "only." There have been many great men of God that have not been good expositors, but they would have been better if they had been more expositional in their preaching. Because if one knows how he should preach in the most accurate manner.

Besides the previous one, other advantages from the book listed in random order include the following:

Expositional preaching best achieves the biblical intent of preaching: delivering God’s message.

Expositional preaching promotes scripturally authoritative preaching.

Expositional preaching magnifies God’s Word.

Expositional preaching provides a storehouse of preaching material.

Expositional preaching develops the pastor as a man of God’s Word.

Expositional preaching ensures the highest level of Bible knowledge for the flock.

Expositional preaching leads to thinking and living biblically.

Expositional preaching encourages both depth and comprehensiveness.

Expositional preaching forces the treatment of hard-to-interpret texts.

Expositional preaching allows for handling broad theological themes.

Expositional preaching keeps preachers away from ruts and hobby horses.

Expositional preaching prevents the insertion of human ideas.

Expositional preaching guards against misinterpretation of the biblical text.

Expositional preaching imitates the preaching of Christ and the apostles.

Expositional preaching brings out the best in the expositor.

Pastor Rod said...

Jason,

I quoted at length from MacArthur's book on my site (yet I am still accused of having no idea what expository preaching is). Let me first state the obvious, just because MacArthur says it that doesn't automatically make it true.

I can understand the difficulty that you, Scott and others are having. When someone raises the charge that the most reliable tool that you can imagine produces unreliable results, you wonder what there can be that is any better. It is a reasonable reaction.

But this has caused a summary dismissal of the argument. I was making a substantial point about you getting my name wrong (Scott's childish reaction to my comment notwithstanding). I have yet to see anyone from "your side" engage the substance of the argument. All I have seen is personal attacks and a spirited defense of expository preaching.

Let me respond to a few of your quotations from Rediscovering Expository Preaching:

"Expositional preaching prevents the insertion of human ideas."

This is one of my main points. Expository preaching does not prevent the insertion of human ideas. And because the preacher and the listeners think it does, it is especially dangerous.

"Expositional preaching guards against misinterpretation of the biblical text."

Again, this is not the case. It may make it less likely that there will be a misinterpretation. It may keep the preacher from making a certain number of misinterpretations. But the fact is that sincere, knowledgeable expositors have differing interpretations of the same passages. Unless, we canonize John MacArthur's interpretation as infallible and make it the standard, the existence of differing interpretations shows this statement to be false.

"Expositional preaching forces the treatment of hard-to-interpret texts."

This may not be a good thing. It is possible that some texts cannot be resolved with a high degree of certainty (many in Revelation, for example). To force the preacher to resolve these texts into straightforward propositions could be unproductive or even dangerous.

You are now free to dismiss my points and resume the personal attacks.

Rod

Matt Waymeyer said...

Rod,

I've been watching from the sidelines and finding myself really curious about something. In response to the point about how EP forces the treatment of hard-to-interpret texts, you wrote: "This may not be a good thing. It is possible that some texts cannot be resolved with a high degree of certainty (many in Revelation, for example). To force the preacher to resolve these texts into straightforward propositions could be unproductive or even dangerous."

What alternative would you suggest, since expositing these texts may be dangerous? Exactly what kind of danger are you referring to?

Jason E. Robertson said...

Rod, will you explain how you could possibly think that eisegesis is a more cautious and productive approach to Biblical interpretation than exegesis

Pastor Rod said...

Jason,

I certainly hope your skill in interpreting the Scriptures is far better than your skill in understanding what I have written. I never said that or anything like that.

Rod

Matt Waymeyer said...

Rod,

So, if I were to insult you or misrepresent what you've written, would that fetch a quicker answer to my question?

:-)

Scott Hill said...

Rod, you didn't use those exact words, but since you are against exegesis you logically have to be for eisogesis. Unless somehow you have developed a third category. If this is the case then you must post on it.

Scott Hill said...

Rod, do you have a copy of one of your sermons that you would share with us? I have so far failed to see your alternative. Maybe if I could hear or read a sermon from you then it would give me some clarity.

Matt Waymeyer said...

Rod,

Yeah. What Scott just said.

Scott Hill said...

Rod, I am still waiting for that sermon.

Matt Waymeyer said...

Yeah. What Scott just said.

Scott Hill said...

Rod in case you lost my email address it is chiefmusician87@yahoo.com. You can send that sermon manuscript there and I will forward it to Jason.

Jason E. Robertson said...

I can't wait to see whether Rod preached an expository sermon or one that is based on Rod's eisogesis. The anticipation is killing me.

Jeremy Weaver said...

I don't think Rod uses notes. What would he do with a manuscript?

Scott Hill said...

Rod, I guess with the it being summer and all you must be on vacation. Just get that sermon to me whenever you can.